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This is the Conversation Forum for Ask h2g2 << What are you optimistic about? Norton 360 >> Subject: Lord of the Rings: What did Tolkien mean? Posted Mar 17, 2004 by Bistroist This is a reply to this Posting   Posting 861 I don't know much about Shakespeare, read his works and liked them (well, except the sonnets...) but that's about it, so I'll try and steer clear of that discussion for now, interesting as it is. Weather? Hmm... When is weather used? There's Caradhras (sp?) of course, and the darkness that spreads from Mordor. The wind... yes, the wind is used quite a bit isn't it? When Aragorn and Legolas sing for Boromir, they ask the North, South and West winds for tidings, but not the East, and before Pelennor, the wind changes, there's hope again... Lord Valkyrie, I must admit I'm a bit puzzled by your post, but even more by your name. Isn't it a bit self-contradictory? cheers ~Bistro (refusing to think before he type) Read the First Reply to this Posting Subject: Lord of the Rings: What did Tolkien mean? Posted Mar 17, 2004 by Bistroist This is a reply to this Posting   Posting 862 Oh and have you seen this: http://politics.guardian.co.uk/flash/0,10291,1162930,00.html Linked to by Otto Fisch in this thread: F19585?thread=396128 cheers ~Bistro Read the First Reply to this Posting Subject: 101:God Bless His Soul:101 Posted Mar 17, 2004 by Recumbentman This is a reply to this Posting   Posting 863 And they recognised his divinity for lo every word he spake had a capital letter. Subject: Lord of the Rings: What did Tolkien mean? Posted Mar 17, 2004 by Dame_Hermione This is a reply to this Posting   Posting 864 Re weather . I found the storm bursting over the opposing armies at Helms Deep quite moving ,( this is in the films .) Standing as a member of a disciplined force on a killing ground in a cold driving rain , it just bought home the Medeival savagery of it . On the villains thing , for me the one big flaw in the books is the black or white character of the cast, no jokes pleeeese about Gandalf the Puce. Subject: 101:God Bless His Soul:101 Posted Mar 17, 2004 by Dark Side of the Goon This is a reply to this Posting   Posting 865 Lord Valkyrie! Thank heavens! We could not have waited a moment longer without you. Take a seat. Have a donut. So, back to this weather thing. Is the sky expressing emotion? Or is it just a reflection of the things that are happening on the land below. Subject: Lord of the Rings: what did Tolkien mean? Posted Mar 17, 2004 by Leopardskinfynn... sexy mama This is a reply to this Posting   Posting 866 Oooops! I *meant* Theoden Sho! Read the First Reply to this Posting Subject: Lord of the Rings: what did Tolkien mean? Posted Mar 17, 2004 by Dark Side of the Goon This is a reply to this Posting   Posting 867 Patrick Stewart would have made a terrible Theoden! Look at the complete Pig's Ear he made of Leondegras in 'Excalibur'. Luckily we got the very much better Bernard Hill instead and I'm delighted with that casting. Patrick has his share of the limelight with the X-Men series,in which he's really very good. Subject: Lord of the Rings: what did Tolkien mean? Posted Mar 18, 2004 by DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me! This is a reply to this Posting   Posting 868 Thing is, New Zealand has more and harder rain at all times than anywhere except that town in Norway that has rain 364/365 days a year! I admire the Maori guys playing orcs having to a haka to keep out the cold of the night shoots. Where did Jackson get the *nice* weather from? Subject: Lord of the Rings: What did Tolkien mean? Posted Mar 18, 2004 by DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me! This is a reply to this Posting   Posting 869 Is your Chancellor called Gordon Brown, or Gordon Bennett? Read the First Reply to this Posting Subject: Lord of the Rings: What did Tolkien mean? Posted Mar 18, 2004 by StrontiumDog This is a reply to this Posting   Posting 870 I still think there is a distinction between how a villan sees himself and how he acknowledges others see him, the motives of the characters for acting in spite seem to more important than their awareness that they are acting in such a way; BUT: It seems to me we will not agree so moving on villans I percieve often deceive. Lord Valkire {Puts on silly vaguely mid european accent) Could it be you feel some ambiguity about your gender? Do you vish to talk about zis? Tell me only ze good things which come into your mind about your mother. Read the First Reply to this Posting Subject: Lord of the Rings: What did Tolkien mean? Posted Mar 18, 2004 by Dark Side of the Goon This is a reply to this Posting   Posting 871 "It seems to me we will not agree so moving on villans I percieve often deceive" Why quibble over villainy when both of us are right, you see what matters is psychology when the bad guy's writ realistic'lee But Bill predates, historically all pretence of rationality his villains, living large they be so that the audience can see! Read the First Reply to this Posting Subject: Lord of the Rings: What did Tolkien mean? Posted Mar 18, 2004 by Sho - It's Mrs G to you! This is a reply to this Posting   Posting 872 If I may pop back to the weather thing? When they were trapped in the snow, the way Galdalf talked about it, for me at least, it was almost as though he thought Sauron and the mountain were working together against the fellowship. In fact, that is one of the most excellent aspects of the film: the lighting. All that lovely diffused light in the shire, and the bare dark low-lighting in Mordor, the cold clear blue skies of Rohan... Subject: Lord of the Rings: What did Tolkien mean? Posted Mar 18, 2004 by Recumbentman This is a reply to this Posting   Posting 873 No, Bill knew more psychology Than Freud, Jung, Adler, sorry three They're trotting way back in the rear Behind the chap who wrote King Lear Read the First Reply to this Posting Subject: Lord of the Rings: What did Tolkien mean? Posted Mar 18, 2004 by Sho - It's Mrs G to you! This is a reply to this Posting   Posting 874 (That's King Bloody Lear in the World According To Sho) Read the First Reply to this Posting Subject: Lord of the Rings: What did Tolkien mean? Posted Mar 18, 2004 by Recumbentman This is a reply to this Posting   Posting 875 Sorry, couldn't find a decent rhyme for Hamlet. Read the First Reply to this Posting Subject: Lord of the Rings: What did Tolkien mean? Posted Mar 18, 2004 by Sho - It's Mrs G to you! This is a reply to this Posting   Posting 876 aka Piglet... Subject: Lord of the Rings: What did Tolkien mean? Posted Mar 18, 2004 by Dark Side of the Goon This is a reply to this Posting   Posting 877 Hehe. Shakespeare debate in rhyme! It should be an olympic sport. What's more it makes you think about your every retort! Even though you were unable to rhyme poor old Hamlet This just goes to show a thing works better when you plan it. So was the Bard the precursor of psychology clinical Or was he simply using personalities lyrical? We'll never know, the man is dead and this whole discussion deserves it's own thread. Read the First Reply to this Posting Subject: Lord of the Rings: What did Tolkien mean? Posted Mar 18, 2004 by Sho - It's Mrs G to you! This is a reply to this Posting   Posting 878 *sits in corner, hands on ears, rocking backwards and forwards* I can't hear you I can't hear you I can't hear you Read the First Reply to this Posting Subject: Lord of the Rings: What did Tolkien mean? Posted Mar 18, 2004 by Dark Side of the Goon This is a reply to this Posting   Posting 879 Sorry. It's just so hard to stop when you get going. Read the First Reply to this Posting Subject: Lord of the Rings: What did Tolkien mean? Posted Mar 18, 2004 by Sho - It's Mrs G to you! This is a reply to this Posting   Posting 880 I was bemoaning the lack of a <smack> smiley elsewhere just now... why don't you lot get off to the Grimley Moer thread, that's been empty for a while (hint hint) Read the First Reply to this Posting << < Conversation list << < Conversation list

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