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Subject: Time gentlemen
Posted Feb 16, 2012 by
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As opposed to the sense in which ...

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Subject: Time gentlemen
Posted Feb 18, 2012 by
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... the word 'unique' is most commonly usedwinkeye

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Subject: Time gentlemen
Posted Feb 18, 2012 by Online Now
KB
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If that's the case, maybe the dictionaries don't know what it means...

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Subject: Time gentlemen
Posted Feb 18, 2012 by
You can call me TC - Ready for Reims - June 15th? Pas de panique! A87780612 A33659210
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Having just typed the "tongue in cheek" smiley tongueincheek I was led to wonder why tongue is spelt the way it is. It's quite a long way from the French "langue" - in fact it's nearer to the German "Zunge". Does it have a hybrid etymology?

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Subject: Time gentlemen
Posted Feb 18, 2012 by Online Now
KB
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I suspect it's the pronunciation that's changed. It was probably a two-syllable word at first, not too far from the sound of "Zunge", which would make the spelling make more sense.

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Subject: Time gentlemen
Posted Feb 18, 2012 by Online Now
pedro
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Changing topic slightly, what's the deal with everyone on TV pronouncing 'because' as 'becuz' these days?

And how d'you pronounce 'penchant' while I'm here. I'm not sure why I've been wondering about that today.

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Subject: Time gentlemen
Posted Feb 18, 2012 by
Edward the Bonobo - Gone.
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Also - to is t:.

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Subject: Time gentlemen
Posted Feb 18, 2012 by Online Now
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bigeyes
>> pronounce 'penchant' <<

There are a lot of French endings such as in Debut-TAUNT,
Bon-vee-Vaunt, en-FONT, croiss-AUNT, even en-CHAUNT-ay,
that may cause some to always accent the end bit, but as
a life-long radio presenter I'm quite sure it's been totally
Anglicised to PEN-chint, with the same stresses as 'punching'
as in punchin' bag.
ok
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Subject: Time gentlemen
Posted Feb 18, 2012 by
Rudest Elf
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"And how d'you pronounce 'penchant'"

If you want to know how you *should* pronounce 'penchant', pedro, then ignore the previous poster - who probably pronounces the 't' in ballet (as the Spanish do).

Here's what the dictionaries say:

Collins: http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/penchant

Oxford: http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/penchant?view=uk

Macmillan: http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/american/penchant

Free Dictionary*: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/penchant

* The American pronunciation (pinchent) is also given - on the other hand they pronounce 'affluent? a-fluent as in 'a fluent speaker'. space <snigger>

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Subject: Time gentlemen
Posted Feb 18, 2012 by Online Now
pedro
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I thought it'd be 'ponshon', but I can't see myself using it in conversation in Glasgow somehow.

I think Canadians say 'ballet' with an emphasis on the second syllable, but don't pronounce the 't' at the end, like we would say 'belay'. Certainly my Canadian cousins do.

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Subject: Time gentlemen
Posted Feb 18, 2012 by
Rudest Elf
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"I can't see myself using it in conversation in Glasgow" space biggrin

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Subject: Time gentlemen
Posted Feb 18, 2012 by
Edward the Bonobo - Gone.
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Oh, I don't know. Certain establishments in The West End, perhaps. rolleyes

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Subject: Time gentlemen
Posted Feb 18, 2012 by Online Now
pedro
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I've decided to use it next time I'm in The Horseshoe.biggrin

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Subject: Time gentlemen
Posted Feb 18, 2012 by Online Now
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rofl

Those dictionary links say 'pon chon' as if it was some
sort of Chinese food.
laugh

It's PENCH-unt if you want to be understood in Canada
where we are officially half French and are very (too)
sensitive to Francophonix. (And where btw we pronounce
ballet as bal-ay - the bal rimes with gal - and the ay
rimes with hay).

PON-CHON
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How foppish is that! Even our French wouldn't say that.

tongueout
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Subject: Time gentlemen
Posted Feb 18, 2012 by Online Now
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bigeyes

And just to prove that I am open-minded and always
willing to learn let me say I looked up spouse and
espouse today.
bigeyes
Suddenly, that juvenile expression 'If you like it so
much why dontcha marry it?' makes a lot more sense than
those who might use it are generally able to demonstrate.

winkeye
~jwf~

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Subject: Time gentlemen
Posted Feb 18, 2012 by Online Now
pedro
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<<Even our French wouldn't say that>>

Och well, we've got the proper ones over here..winkeye

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Subject: Time gentlemen
Posted Feb 28, 2012 by
Edward the Bonobo - Gone.
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You wait for a word you've never heard before to come along...and then it comes along twice.

The other day I read a twit from a journalist:

'The problem with interviewing Will Self is deciphering my shorthand. Did he really say 'pother'?'

Then last night on the radio, on an item about coal fires in a Derbyshire village, two separate interviewees talked about the smoke 'pothering' from the chimneys.

I like this word. It has connotations of the smoke being buffeted.

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Subject: Time gentlemen
Posted Feb 29, 2012 by Online Now
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laugh

PEDANT ALERT

Every good buffet has smoked meat, smoked salmon, smoked oysters.
But I've never seen connotations buffeted before.
winkeye
~jwf~

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Subject: Time gentlemen
Posted Feb 29, 2012 by Online Now
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>>..the smoke 'pothering' from the chimneys. <<

In looking up pother and then bother I was surprised that
no one made a connection between the two. The concensus is
that bother comes from 'both the' or perhaps bodder while
pother, though ancient, is 'of unknown origin'. Seems to
me one is the rough pronunciation of the other, or both.

A cloud of smoke can certainly be a bit of a bother.
And most of the other definitions are similar in type
or tone suggesting anything from annoyance to
disturbance in 'both' noun and verb variants.

Hmmm...

ta
~jwf~




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Subject: Time gentlemen
Posted Feb 29, 2012 by
You can call me TC - Ready for Reims - June 15th? Pas de panique! A87780612 A33659210
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And there was I, imagining that "pother" was maybe the onomatopaeic way that smokers used to make smoke rings - back in the day when that sort of thing was considered cool

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