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This is the Conversation Forum for The Wall - a Marathon Runner's Nightmare marathon >> Subject: The Wall Posted Feb 3, 2003 by Ausnahmsweise, wie üblich (Consistently inconsistent)   Posting 1 Good entry! Just a couple of points. The 20 mile point agrees closely to the 100 minutes I had read about. (For an elite athlete running under 2:20.) I don't think a depletion run (to run the carbo hydrate tank dry) in the week before a marathon is included in modern training plans. I followed Benji Durden's plan ten years ago, and he did advocate a longish run, I think about six days before the competition Awu Read the First Reply to this Posting Subject: The Wall Posted Feb 21, 2003 by 3pickledwalnuts This is a reply to this Posting   Posting 2 Hallo Ausnahmesweise! I’ve never heard of the 100 minute Wall-rule-of-thumb; where does it come from? I know 3-30 runners who have hit ‘The Wall’ at about only 14-15 miles but they would have been at 115-120 mins by then. In their cases, the Wall has been a psychological barrier as much as, if not more than, a physical one, something unfortunately not addressed in this Entry. Runners at that speed who hit the Wall at the 20-mile mark have been underway for about 160 mins. I agree with the idea of a longish run about 6 days beforehand. My best run was when, contrary to standard advice, I did three (casual) 1-30 training runs the weekend before. My performance after a competitive half-marathon race the weekend before was also good. Read the First Reply to this Posting Subject: The Wall Posted Feb 22, 2003 by Ausnahmsweise, wie üblich (Consistently inconsistent) This is a reply to this Posting   Posting 3 Hi, I don't remember where I got that 100 minute rule from. The LSD (long, slow duration) runs are supposed to help your body get past that and run off of fat instead of glycogen. So, I suppose a hobby runner (3hrs or more) could still make the transition from glycogen to fat burning OK and hit another kind of wall later. I've broken the magic 3 hr just once (2:59 in Munich). Awu Read the First Reply to this Posting Subject: The Wall Posted Feb 24, 2003 by Chris Morris This is a reply to this Posting   Posting 4 Just an amusing aside here - does anyone remember the national newspaper that reported, seriously, Bernie Ford having run into a wall during the Moscow Olympic marathon? One imagines the scene as Bernie struggles over the finishing line, harrassed by reporters asking what went wrong. "I hit the ******* wall at 18miles" he tells them. Reporters promptly dash off to the 18 mile mark to look for a wall with blood stains. Conversation list Conversation list

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